Hello, friends, today I was reading Markymark's comments (that is, comments from others in MM's posts), when a post by Novaseeker struck me.
Novaseeker said...
Groups like the Amish and the Hasidim work precisely because they are small, isolated groups who do not seek to change the broader culture (because they can't), but rather simply isolate themselves from it to the greatest degree possible.
I'm not saying that doesn't work for the people who are in those groups, but it needs to be remembered that (1) these groups have very old traditions (which is much of what gives them their power within their groups), and are not trying to break new ground in the current setting and (2) while this may work for a limited number of men/women, it will not change the culture as a whole at all.
So, to be honest, while that may be a solution for some men and women, it is simply that -- a personal solution. It is, in effect, a way of devising a coping mechanism for avoiding the current system, rather than trying to find a way to fix the system -- precisely because it seeks to live in isolation from the system. In that respect, it is like any of the other strategies that men are adopting to adapt to the current system, which these guys all basically dislike for varying reasons: (1) PUAs who work the system for personal gain, (2) ghosts who avoid the system and go their own way, (3) MGTOWs who may have relations with women but try to do so in a way that is independent of the system and (4) your own proposed isolated community idea, which also seeks to live outside of the system.
All of these are legitimate responses, but none of them is an adequate criticism of MRA/FRA. MRA/FRA is actually trying to engage and change the system, whereas the rest of these are coping strategies for dealing with a system which is admittedly bad for men (and women).
07 July, 2009 10:35
It reminds me precisely about one's main goal; is it to actually CHANGE the way things are? Or do you believe such doing is folly and suicidal, and you want to avoid the fallout? More comment on my personal view on this later.
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I look forward to your seeing your personal view on this! Here's mine: fly under the radar, and avoid the fallout. Our culture is done, so there's nothing we can do to stop the inevitable...
ReplyDeleteWell, readers, please realize that at the moment, I don't think there's a wrong answer, in fact, they both could be interactive.
ReplyDeleteI.E. When you leave the system, and stop supporting it, you allow it to fall. Many civilizations have "restarted" after hitting rock bottom, just like many many individuals have.
The question is, how much damage to the innocent can you sit back and watch?
ReplyDeleteI partially agree that our culture is done, but I can't sit back and watch people who are just trying to get by, get steamrolled by modern feminism and their lackeys in government. Guess that's why I'm so passionate about my site.
But I do agree that it is a personal choice, and no matter what chioce is made, within the mgtow/mra/fra grouping, the one thing to keep in mind is we are all doing what we can to undermine the opposition.
Isolated "intentional" communities can be created on an ad hoc, task-oriented basis. They can form islands of relative tranquillity and prosperity, and these in turn can be platforms from which other activities of a 'political' nature may be launched/supported.
ReplyDeleteIn time, such communities can be linked to form colonies and networks of various kinds, which may compose a system of political machinery.
Bear in mind the principle of specialization. The groups may be formed on the basis of a shared interest or shared passion of some sort.
I like the term "spirit union" as a name for such groupings. . .